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		<title>By: Mark Hadley</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a great shame that the Iraqi government&#039;s effective and legitimate trial of Saddam has been marred by its failure to deal with the dictator&#039;s execution in a professional and dignified way. The awful mobile phone images are the worst example of this, how these close up images were able to be obtained demands immediate transparent and thorough investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a great shame that the Iraqi government&#8217;s effective and legitimate trial of Saddam has been marred by its failure to deal with the dictator&#8217;s execution in a professional and dignified way. The awful mobile phone images are the worst example of this, how these close up images were able to be obtained demands immediate transparent and thorough investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is completely shocking that the video is still available on youtube, however, if not there then people would find it elsewhere. More shocking I find is that someone was able to film it so blatantly. I would have imagined that mobiles would have been banned, however, the perpetrator seemed blatant in his filming and seemingly went un-challenged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is completely shocking that the video is still available on youtube, however, if not there then people would find it elsewhere. More shocking I find is that someone was able to film it so blatantly. I would have imagined that mobiles would have been banned, however, the perpetrator seemed blatant in his filming and seemingly went un-challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to get into the ins and outs of whether i think Saddam Hussein should have been hanged. All i&#039;d say is what i said originally - i agree and am happy with the fact that he was brought before an Iraqi court rather than an American or British one since this is both the &#039;right&#039; and &#039;diplomatically right&#039; thing to be done.

That being said, i&#039;m in complete agreement with you that there should be some limits to &#039;freedom of information&#039; and whilst the idea of people making informed decisions about what to watch and what not to, someone, too young to understand the greater implications of what they are seeing, could easily stumble across such a video.

Sadly, as i said before, it&#039;s a grim reality that currently, there are too many people who would like to see this video for some companies to resist showing it or (negligently?) allowing it to be shown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to get into the ins and outs of whether i think Saddam Hussein should have been hanged. All i&#8217;d say is what i said originally &#8211; i agree and am happy with the fact that he was brought before an Iraqi court rather than an American or British one since this is both the &#8216;right&#8217; and &#8216;diplomatically right&#8217; thing to be done.</p>
<p>That being said, i&#8217;m in complete agreement with you that there should be some limits to &#8216;freedom of information&#8217; and whilst the idea of people making informed decisions about what to watch and what not to, someone, too young to understand the greater implications of what they are seeing, could easily stumble across such a video.</p>
<p>Sadly, as i said before, it&#8217;s a grim reality that currently, there are too many people who would like to see this video for some companies to resist showing it or (negligently?) allowing it to be shown.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>principles and ethics, something that YouTube seem not to posses.

i actually am not anti the hanging of Saddam, i think it was probably more than he deserved. I&#039;m anti companies showing his demise in the western world. Yes, if people wanted it they&#039;d find it, but this isn&#039;t (and shouldn&#039;t be) about the freedom of information. YouTube carrying the video to me is ludicrous. The content is distasteful, disrespectful, unsuitable and highly political. Let YouTube be the home of cats using toilets, teen karaoke and amateur jackass - leave the politics and world affairs to the experts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>principles and ethics, something that YouTube seem not to posses.</p>
<p>i actually am not anti the hanging of Saddam, i think it was probably more than he deserved. I&#8217;m anti companies showing his demise in the western world. Yes, if people wanted it they&#8217;d find it, but this isn&#8217;t (and shouldn&#8217;t be) about the freedom of information. YouTube carrying the video to me is ludicrous. The content is distasteful, disrespectful, unsuitable and highly political. Let YouTube be the home of cats using toilets, teen karaoke and amateur jackass &#8211; leave the politics and world affairs to the experts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelastman.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justin&lt;/a&gt; - I agree it&#039;s shocking that such a thing can happen in supposedly modern, evolved and democratic society, but it doesn&#039;t shock me that it can still be seen online.

I think it&#039;s probably a simple case of supply and (morbid) demand. Sadly, there are too many people who would like to see this thing and as hard as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt; and other web based video server companies (may say they) are trying to keep it off - people will find a way to get it online.

One also has to consider the mercenary benefit of having such a sought after video available to view - the attention garnered through publicity (both negative and positive) cannot be quantified but is surely quite the boon to any company willing to let money override morality...

Incidentally - nice piece on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelastman.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/and-then-there-was/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IPhone&lt;/a&gt;...&lt;em&gt;gotta get me one of these&lt;/em&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey <a href="http://thelastman.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Justin</a> &#8211; I agree it&#8217;s shocking that such a thing can happen in supposedly modern, evolved and democratic society, but it doesn&#8217;t shock me that it can still be seen online.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s probably a simple case of supply and (morbid) demand. Sadly, there are too many people who would like to see this thing and as hard as <a href="http://www.youtube.com/" rel="nofollow">YouTube</a> and other web based video server companies (may say they) are trying to keep it off &#8211; people will find a way to get it online.</p>
<p>One also has to consider the mercenary benefit of having such a sought after video available to view &#8211; the attention garnered through publicity (both negative and positive) cannot be quantified but is surely quite the boon to any company willing to let money override morality&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8211; nice piece on the <a href="http://thelastman.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/and-then-there-was/" rel="nofollow">IPhone</a>&#8230;<em>gotta get me one of these</em>!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find it shocking that YouTube haven&#039;t pulled the video (plenty of copies up there). Would this video still be up there if YouTube was a UK company? I doubt it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find it shocking that YouTube haven&#8217;t pulled the video (plenty of copies up there). Would this video still be up there if YouTube was a UK company? I doubt it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughts of the egyptian president:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6233951.stm &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

He doesn&#039;t agree with it either and thinks choosing to hang him on the first day of Eid al-Adha was &quot;unthinkable&quot;. Wisely, he  chooses not to comment on whether the sentence passed was correct, nor whether the court was lawful under occupation.

He &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; think Saddam will become a martyr now.

&lt;em&gt;But he was always going to! &lt;/em&gt; - whether or not he was taunted and then hanged. Admittedly, taunting someone about to be executed is incredibly reprehensible and should be condemned, but i maintain that this is unlikely to make any repurcussions worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts of the egyptian president:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6233951.stm " rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t agree with it either and thinks choosing to hang him on the first day of Eid al-Adha was &#8220;unthinkable&#8221;. Wisely, he  chooses not to comment on whether the sentence passed was correct, nor whether the court was lawful under occupation.</p>
<p>He <em>does</em> think Saddam will become a martyr now.</p>
<p><em>But he was always going to! </em> &#8211; whether or not he was taunted and then hanged. Admittedly, taunting someone about to be executed is incredibly reprehensible and should be condemned, but i maintain that this is unlikely to make any repurcussions worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before i rattle off my tuppence-worth, apologies if it is a little confused or ill-thought out; i am in the middle of some media monitoring and my brain is in anothe rplace.

For the record - i think the video shouldn&#039;t have been shown, Saddam shouldn&#039;t have been hanged and the death penalty is patently wrong. That being said, Saddam was brought to justice under the Iraqi system and not the American which we should be grateful for and is a strong political and diplomatic move.


Video footage of the execution was an unnecessary but inevitable result of the state of modern morality and general morbid fascination. Many in the western world were baying for Saddam&#039;s blood and to see the footage would quell any doubts of a cover-up or falsification of actions.

I think we generally like to think of ourselves as morally grounded individuals but how many of us slow down or crane our necks to see what is going on at an accident on the motorway? The strange demand from people to see the death of the late Australian naturalist, Steve Irwin is indicative of our fascination with life, death and the finality of things.

Personally - i think that seeing the footage will have little effect on the future political landscape in Iraq. If the footage wasn&#039;t seen, Saddam would still be a martyr to his followers, regardless. The fact that he was seen, defiant, is probably irrelevant. I suggest that many among us are less concerned with the fact that the video was shown, and more irritated by the fact that he was not more scared or quaking at the inevitability of his predicament.

In reality - it isn&#039;t surprising that he was defiant and steadfast - the final stages of someone going to their death are commonly recorded as defiance and acceptance. Saddams behaviour and attitude is nothing if not predictable.

I agree it is in poor taste and the death penalty is at odds with the basic tenets of justice in a modern world. I also agree it would probably have been wise for it not to have been shown and that there is potential for backlash. However, i don&#039;t think it&#039;s impact is worth giving too much credit to. Any backlash would&#039;ve come regardless and i think this will do little to further engender Iraqis loyal to Saddam with any greater sense of hatred for the &#039;infidels&#039; than they had prior to his execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before i rattle off my tuppence-worth, apologies if it is a little confused or ill-thought out; i am in the middle of some media monitoring and my brain is in anothe rplace.</p>
<p>For the record &#8211; i think the video shouldn&#8217;t have been shown, Saddam shouldn&#8217;t have been hanged and the death penalty is patently wrong. That being said, Saddam was brought to justice under the Iraqi system and not the American which we should be grateful for and is a strong political and diplomatic move.</p>
<p>Video footage of the execution was an unnecessary but inevitable result of the state of modern morality and general morbid fascination. Many in the western world were baying for Saddam&#8217;s blood and to see the footage would quell any doubts of a cover-up or falsification of actions.</p>
<p>I think we generally like to think of ourselves as morally grounded individuals but how many of us slow down or crane our necks to see what is going on at an accident on the motorway? The strange demand from people to see the death of the late Australian naturalist, Steve Irwin is indicative of our fascination with life, death and the finality of things.</p>
<p>Personally &#8211; i think that seeing the footage will have little effect on the future political landscape in Iraq. If the footage wasn&#8217;t seen, Saddam would still be a martyr to his followers, regardless. The fact that he was seen, defiant, is probably irrelevant. I suggest that many among us are less concerned with the fact that the video was shown, and more irritated by the fact that he was not more scared or quaking at the inevitability of his predicament.</p>
<p>In reality &#8211; it isn&#8217;t surprising that he was defiant and steadfast &#8211; the final stages of someone going to their death are commonly recorded as defiance and acceptance. Saddams behaviour and attitude is nothing if not predictable.</p>
<p>I agree it is in poor taste and the death penalty is at odds with the basic tenets of justice in a modern world. I also agree it would probably have been wise for it not to have been shown and that there is potential for backlash. However, i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s impact is worth giving too much credit to. Any backlash would&#8217;ve come regardless and i think this will do little to further engender Iraqis loyal to Saddam with any greater sense of hatred for the &#8216;infidels&#8217; than they had prior to his execution.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Yaxley</title>
		<link>http://edelmanapprenticescheme.com/2007/01/02/hangman/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Saddam was true to his brand values in being a defiant fighter to the end, and this is the reputation he would wish for eternity.  Similarly, throughout the trial he appeared smart and true to himself.  Others might regret the abiding image of him isn&#039;t the dirty coward in hiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Saddam was true to his brand values in being a defiant fighter to the end, and this is the reputation he would wish for eternity.  Similarly, throughout the trial he appeared smart and true to himself.  Others might regret the abiding image of him isn&#8217;t the dirty coward in hiding.</p>
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